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Kuva ruotsalaisten 1928 A:sta
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- Tässä täytyy tietysti ottaa huomioon se, että luvallisten ja toisaalta luvattomien aseiden kohdalla pätevät täysin erilaiset lainsäädäntömuutokset ja erilaiset toimet, sanoo Holmlund.

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Myyntikuva (Overstamped) vuodelta 1939:
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- Tässä täytyy tietysti ottaa huomioon se, että luvallisten ja toisaalta luvattomien aseiden kohdalla pätevät täysin erilaiset lainsäädäntömuutokset ja erilaiset toimet, sanoo Holmlund.

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Ranskalaisilla:

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In 1938 3,000 Thompson Mle1921 (and 30,000,000 .45ACP cartridges) are ordered to the USA and they are all delivered by end 1939. They are nonetheless judged too heavy, bulky and too expensive.

Most of the 3,000 Thompson Mle1921 SMGs remained surprisingly in armories or were only tested in Morocco during 1940. They were only issued occasional in May/June 1940 or delivered to military police units (e.g. gendarmes that fought on the Loire River in June 1940).

The Thompson SMGs were for example also used by the Laffly W15T CC tank destroyer crews (126 SMGs issued to the 14 self-propelled anti-tank batteries) and apparently by several AA units. They were more largely distributed among the Vichy French troops in 1941.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/40165066/Fren ... -1939-1940
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Mahdollisesti ranskalainen M1921 jugoslaavi-tsetnikin hallussa.
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Venäläisillä.
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NKVD:n hilpeitä veikkoja.

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"Tietoja puna-armeijan aseista"

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Venäjälle lähetettiin Lend-Leasena "Submachine, Cal. .45, All Types" 137 729 kappaletta. Valtaosa näistä ilmeisesti Auto-Ordnancen ja Savagen valmistamia M1928A1 Thompsoneita.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref ... ip-3A.html
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Kiinalaisia Thompson-kopioita:
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Kiinalainen 7.62×25 Thompson:

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U.S. SUBMACHINE GUN THOMPSON MODEL 1921/28 .45ACP SN# 5776
Manufactured by Colt, Hartford, Ct. - Standard Model 1921 Thompson submachine gun as produced by Colt and modified for the U.S. Navy. One of small number purchased by U.S. Navy in 1928 and modified by replacing vertical forearm with horizontal one and adding weight to bolt to slow rate of fire. Wood butt is detachable. Cyclic rate of fire 600 rpm. Equipped with Type L- 50-round drum magazine and Cutts compensator.

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Hienoa, että tähän ketjuun saadaan nyt asianmukaisia kuvia ja juttua!
- Tässä täytyy tietysti ottaa huomioon se, että luvallisten ja toisaalta luvattomien aseiden kohdalla pätevät täysin erilaiset lainsäädäntömuutokset ja erilaiset toimet, sanoo Holmlund.

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John Taliaferro Thompson

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Prototyyppejä:
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Annihilator II
Annihilator 1

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Annihilator I

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M1919 eli Annihilator II, ensimmäinen myyntimalli.

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Thompson M1921

100 patruunan Type C rummulla:

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Thompson M1922

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Thompson M1923

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Kaliiperi .45 Remington-Thompson / .45 Thompson Model 1923 long / 11.25x26.

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Thompson M1928

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U.S. SUBMACHINE GUN THOMPSON MODEL 1928 .45ACP SN# S108411
Manufactured by Savage Arms, Utica, N.Y. - Standard Model 1928 Thompson submachine gun. Delayed blow-back design. Selective fire; top actuator. 6-groove rifling; right hand twist. Fixed blade front sight. Muzzle velocity 920 fps. Cyclic rate of fire reduced to 675 rpm. Effective range of 200 yards; maximum range 1600 yards. Weapon weighs 11 lbs. unloaded. Safety lever on left side of weapon. Equipped with 20-round detachable box magazine and Cutts compensator.

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Receiver: MODEL OF 1928/NO. S-108411/THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN/CALIBER .45 AUTOMATIC CARTRIDGE. Right side: U.S. PATENTS/1,181,810 1,852,414/1,888,866 1,857,208/1,840,881 1,863,809/1,840,943 1,403,623/1,847,754 1,406,546/1,849,845 1,408,276/1,817,821. AUTO-ORDNANCE CORPORATION/BRIDGEPORT, CONNECTICUT, U.S.A. Top of receiver: Trademark.
Cutts Compensator: Trade Mark. NOV. 2, 1926./NO. 1,605,393. PAT. JULY 19, 1927/NO. 1,636,357. Underside: S-108411.
Rear sight: MDE BY "LYMAN" MIDDLEFIELD, CONN. U.S.A.
Magazine: AUTO ORDNANCE, BRIDGEPORT, CONNECTICUT/REG. U.S. PAT. OFF.

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U.S. SUBMACHINE GUN THOMPSON MODEL 1928 .45ACP SN# 13159
Manufactured by Colt, Hartford, Ct. - Standard Model 1928 Thompson submachine gun. Basically a M1921 modified for the U.S. Navy by changing pistol grip to a carbine type foregrip with sling swivel and adding weight to bolt assembly. 6-groove rifling, right hand twist. Cyclic rate of fire 800 rpm. Muzzle velocity 920 fps. Weapon weighs approximately 10.8 lbs. Complete with 20-round detachable box magazine, Cutts compensator, and in excellent condition.

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Inspector's initials: JHB. JHB = Major John H. Barrett.
Receiver - Left side: U.S. NAVY MODEL OF 1928/13159. THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN/CALIBRE .45 AUTOMATIC COLT CARTRIDGE/MANUFACTURED BY/COLT'S PATENT FIRE ARMS MFG. CO./HARTFORD CONN U.S.A. Right side: AUTO-ORDNANCE CORPORATION/NEW YORK. U.S.A. PATENTED/MARCH 9, 1915/MAY 4. 1920/MAY 25. 1920/MAY 25. 1920/JULY 27. 1920/AUGUST 10. 1920/SEPTEMBER 7. 1920/OCTOBER 26. 1920/DECEMBER 28. 1920.
Cutts Compensator: Trade Mark & NOV. 2, 1926 NO. 1,605.393.
Rear sight: MDE BY "LYMAN" MIDDLEFIELD, CONN. U.S.A.
Magazine: S.W. CO.

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Savagen M1928-koemalli vuodelta 1943, jonka runko ja kahvarunko ovat alumiinia ja tukkiosat Franzite / Tenite-selluloosa-asetaattimuovia.

Sivut Thompsonin lippaista ja patruunoista:

http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/ ... topic=9897

http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/ ... opic=12262
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Hollantilaisilla (Koninklijk Nederlands Indisch Leger):

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Kuvat vuodelta 1941.

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Kuva vuodelta 1948.
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Löytyykö keltään venäläistä sotasaalis Thompsonia ? Että mitä mallia nämä "aseapu" Thopsonit olivat ,vai oliko kaikkia mahdollisia malleja ?

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Eikös tällaista rumpulipasta sanottu ns."Elokuvalippaaksi" .Jolla Chigakon gangteri ampui kokoelokuvan ajan lataamatta välillä :D

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Siis tämä......
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caporal wrote:Eikös tällaista rumpulipasta sanottu ns."Elokuvalippaaksi" .Jolla Chigakon gangteri ampui kokoelokuvan ajan lataamatta välillä :D
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Ainakin Miller's Crossingissa C-rummusta irtoaa kuulemma noin 524 laukausta.

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Britit "gangsteriaseineen":

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Gurkhia Burmassa.

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Intialaisia Burmassa.

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Monte Cassinossa.

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Norton Big 4 kaikilla herkuilla.

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Hybridi, jossa M1928A1 on saanut M1-mallin piipun.
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caporal wrote:Löytyykö keltään venäläistä sotasaalis Thompsonia ? Että mitä mallia nämä "aseapu" Thopsonit olivat ,vai oliko kaikkia mahdollisia malleja ?
Suomalaisten sotasaaliiksi saamat olivat ilmeisesti kaikki M1928A1:iä, mutta valokuvissa näkyy itänaapurin lend-lease vaunujen miehistöillä(*) muistaakseni myös myöhempiä versioita.

(*) Valtaosa neukkulaan toimitetuista Thompson:eista tuli sinne jenkkiläisten panssariajoneuvojen kanssa, koska niiden perusvarustukseen kuului usein yksi Thompson-kp.

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